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Senjiu Kanuba
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Posted - 2017.04.12 00:26:37 -
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First question: Please explain how you would do the contest thing without a public killboard. Second question: Because of the arguments.
I would immensely prefer FT Diomedes' solution! I just thought of one that is weaker and would work with the current game mechanics (because drone control range boni are a thing, drone damage modifiers are a thing and different sizes of dronebays are a thing.
I am aware of the exeq being used more in small gang warfare. In larger engagements it is almost exclusively Guardians because their tank is more important than the drone bay.
Quote:Consider using implants to get better cap stability to free up a slot for e-war. Maybe it'd actually be useful. What should I unfit? The propmod or the sensor booster? There are only two midslots. I also fly Scimitars and occasionally Basilisks. They suffer from the same problems. The thing is, in a meta where you need all your tank to not get alpha'd off the field you can't simply drop a field extender or an invuln for some ewar.
Okay, I posted with my main. So now take me seriously and start posting some actual arguments. Unless you have none because you don't actually do PvP (at least not in the last six months...). So what would be the problem with the suggested change? Do you see a way this could lead to something being overpowered? Or do you have a problem with giving logi something to do when there's nothing to repair and them getting on killmails? Because so far the only argument that you all brought was "stop caring about killboards" which, as Murkar Omaristos pointed out, is a **** argument. I'm simply ignoring the "Shitfit your ship to not be useful" because I'm not taking it seriously. If that is the way you feel I feel sorry for your alliance. Let people care about what they want. Oh and the other argument was FT Diomedes' "this isn't the perfect way to fix the problem" - which, as I pointed out above already, is true and I'd prefer his fix for it but I think mine is easier to accomplish.
Oh, and one more thing:
Quote:And the people flying with you that don't lose any ships because they had you as logi know what you did and appreciate you without your keyboard. I don't get the part about not using the keyboard but I think I get the general idea. It's true for small fleets when you know the two logi pilots you have with you. But it's hard to be appreciated when you're part of a logi cloud with 20+ logi in them and the Battleships die before you can lock them anyway (nevermind finishing a repair cycle). At least let the records show that you were there! |
Senjiu Kanuba
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Posted - 2017.04.12 01:38:37 -
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Damn, I guess I should have done that with exequrors instead of guardians. One sec. Not gonna do it as detailed again.
All Exequror lossmails from april 11th:
- 13 not counted (not logi fit or in two cases a gatecamp alt that I know) - 9 combat / ewar drones - 4 empty dronebay - 5 half a bay of logi drones, the other half was in space getting him on killmails or in bay and combat drones or used ewar modules to get on kills - 2 half a bay of logi drones, rest unknown - 3 half a bay of combat / ewar drones, rest unknown
Fact is, even in bonused ships the ones using logi drones are a minority. |
Senjiu Kanuba
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Posted - 2017.04.12 21:32:39 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:perseus skye wrote: I could quote many other game where credit is given for being a logi or medic
Go ahead.
Heroes of the Storm, League of Legends, World of Warcraft, Planetside 2, Battlefield (any), Overwatch (I assume, never played it). Happy now?
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Senjiu Kanuba
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Posted - 2017.04.12 22:16:48 -
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Thanks, that's pretty close to a suggestion made by another player earlier and I would prefer that over my suggestion. My suggestion was simply something that doesn't require a new mechanic to be invented and patches up the problem. |
Senjiu Kanuba
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Posted - 2017.04.14 17:43:11 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Senjiu Kanuba wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:perseus skye wrote: I could quote many other game where credit is given for being a logi or medic
Go ahead. Heroes of the Storm, League of Legends, World of Warcraft, Planetside 2, Battlefield (any), Overwatch (I assume, never played it). Happy now? So out of your example, you have 3 MOBA which are completely different from EVE, a FPS where healing is essentially used as stat padding by dropping a healing bag then picking back your weapon and fight like an infantry unit and a MMO where the best way to get noticed for how much healing you do it to make sure your group make some misstakes or botch up a CC chain. That's a great list.
Okay, your turn. Name six multiplayer games where healers exist but there is no credit given for healing.
Also, for everyone against it, I've asked about that on the first page of the thread already. Please provide an argument (or multiple arguments) why the proposed change would worsen your gaming experience. Like I said, the only argument (if you want to call it that) I heard so far was "stop caring about killboards!". |
Senjiu Kanuba
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Posted - 2017.04.14 20:31:40 -
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Eh, that doesn't really solve the problem. I mean, it solves the things that can be done against drones, true, but I doubt you'd want that to have more than 60km range, right? |
Senjiu Kanuba
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Posted - 2017.04.15 21:42:01 -
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Eh, not exactly. I remember getting honor in battlegrounds just for being nearby, not having done anything (yet) to contribute to the fight. But that's beside the point, I'd like to focus on the problem at hand and stop getting sidetracked like the last two pages in the threat.
This is a typical larger engagement in nullsec, one side are the kills a logi pilot got, the other side are the ones a Tengu pilot got. Guess which is which: https://s22.postimg.org/yhajrgfmn/Guess_which_side_is_logi.png |
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